Collaborative Leadership Through Jazz With Greg Thomas & Jewel Kinch-Thomas (Episode 110)

Greg Thomas (who previously spoke with me here and here) and Jewel Kinch-Thomas of the Jazz Leadership Project join me to explore the extraordinary ways that jazz builds collaborative leadership. This is one of the most enjoyable conversations I’ve had on the podcast. I learned new ways of thinking about group flow states, elite performance, […]

Episode 70: Later Stages Of Leadership Maturity With Susanne Cook-Greuter [The Amiel Show]

This week on the podcast, I welcome back adult development expert, Susanne Cook-Greuter, to discuss the most advanced stages of leadership maturity. Each of these stages is both increasingly complex—bringing new capacities and new challenges—and increasingly rare. We discuss: Self-actualizing or Strategist stage Construct-aware/Ego-aware or Alchemist stage Unitive or Ironist stage Susanne and I previously […]

Episode 59: Innovation Through Liberating Structures With Keith McCandless [The Amiel Show]

One day in the late 1990s, a friend sent me a link to a new search engine called Google. Up until then, I had used Yahoo to find what I was looking for by diligently clicking through the myriad menus and submenus. It was laborious and frustrating, but what option did I have? Google changed […]

Episode 55 Charles Duhigg on Smarter Faster Better [The Amiel Show]

Charles Duhigg’s first book The Power of Habit spent over a year on the New York Times bestseller list. In addition to being popular, it was darn good. So when I heard he was coming out with a second book, Smarter Faster Better, I invited him for an interview. After several back and forth emails with […]

Episode 46: Barrett C. Brown On Leadership For Conscious Capitalism [The Amiel Show]

This week, Barrett C. Brown joins me to talk about the connection between two topics near to my heart: leadership and conscious capitalism. I invited Barrett for this conversation because he has been working in the field of sustainability for two decades and is an international expert on leadership development and vertical learning. He brings […]

Episode 16: Julie Daley on creativity in leadership [The Amiel Show]


Imagine that: Creativity isn’t something “other” people have Creativity is much broader than art–or even new ideas and products Creativity isn’t just about you. It’s about what you create with other people Creativity isn’t even just about creativity. It’s about being skilled in emotions, difficult conversations, and leadership Many people consider these a stretch. Not […]